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Arguments from Non-Veggies
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Arguments from Non-Veggies

I've come across this picture a few times already in Facebook, and I'm sure that I'm not the only TFV writer who has. However, I decided that since there are no apparent rights indicated anywhere, that I can use it to let off some steam – and start a small debate and discussion here with you.

The picture is called the 'Defensive Omnivore Bingo', and I would like to throw Carnivore in there, too, since some of our fellow human beings survive almost exclusively on meat and animal by-products like dairy and eggs. I mean, when they consider they've had their portion of vegetables by clearing the potatoes off their plates and have some bread and beer to wash it all down, I don't count them as real omnivores...

Anyhow, here is a list inspired by the picture included here of the reasons why people believe veganism is just plain wrong. How many have you heard? How many are missing? Let's get this out of our systems!

1- But, plants suffer, too.

Plants do not have a central nervous system...

2- I could never give up ___________ (fill in with whatever meat or by-product).

Yes, you could. You CHOOSE not to. There's a difference.

3- Where do you get your protein?

Of course, we know the answer to that.

4- PETA is terrible...!!

No, it's not. Their marketing is, at times, far more controversial than I'd like it to be. But PETA accomplishes loads of good for animals and vegans.

5- We're at the top of the food chain!

So, this means we should poison our system with meat?

6- I've tried going vegetarian/vegan once and just couldn't.

Did you try hard enough?

7- Eating meat is OK because we're not like other animals.

Say what???

8- We're just like other animals that eat other animals.

Doesn't this contradict point number 7?

9- If God didn't want us to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

We're made out of meat, too... Would you eat your little brother if you're hungry?

10- We would be overcrowded by farm animals because there is an overpopulation of these species.

That's because we overbreed them.

11- Vegans are too preachy.

Make McDonald's stop getting in my face with their ads and disgusting smell, and I'll stop getting in yours about veganism. Deal?

12- If everyone goes vegan, we'll run out of food.

Wrong. We'll have a surplus of food – most of our crops nourish farm animals.

13- You care less about humans than animals.

It's been proven that you can tell if a person cares about humans by watching how they treat animals.

14- Starts imagining scenarios where, out of some crazy and highly unlikely event, all plants die and we're forced to eat animals.

Well, this is just me – but eating animals will kill me, anyways... so die of hunger or die of a heart attack...?

15- Points out what we probably own stuff that contains even just a small amount of animal by-products.

I read labels, but of course I can't always know or always avoid it. That's why I fight against it – to ensure we won't have that happen anymore.

16- Says that because he/she knew a mean vegan, they must all be like that.

In psychology, this is called 'retroaction' and 'generalization'. Look them up in a psychology dictionary. You won't like the answer.

17- Says our canine teeth are meant to chew and tear meat apart.

Really? So that's why we have the digestive system of an herbivore? And nails instead of claws? I'll give you a rabbit and I want you to skin it and eat it without the help of any utensils whatsoever. Then I'll sit by the phone and call the hospital when you start getting sick.

18- 'Vegan' is an Indian word for 'bad hunter'.

Very funny.

19- Talks about how happy farm animals are.

When was the last time you visited a farm??? And was it a large one, or a teeny-tiny one that actually cares for its animals?

20- Expresses some type of comment about starving children to try to deter the conversation away from what you're saying.

Uh, I went vegan BECAUSE of starving children. Want to hear why?

21- Talks about cavemen and how they were hunters.

But mostly fruit gatherers. And most aboriginal tribes are vegan or almost entirely vegan. Most only hunted when plant food was scarce.

22- Wonders why you don't use your time better, like eating meat instead of all that tiring activism against it.

Say what?

23- Says you're damaging the system and has to undue all your damage by compensating for you and eating at least the same amount of meat you would have when you were omnivore, so you might as well accept becoming omnivore again.

No, I'll just sit here and wait until you get fat and ill.  (I swear, this is a true story for me.  Two work collegues sent me an email that said 'for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three'.  I thought they were kidding until I saw them do it - eat three times their usual portion because I am vegan!!!  One became sorely depressed from his weight gain!  The other never talked about it, but since they both stopped their game, I can only assume they figured out they would truly harm themselves if they kept it up.)

24- Do you eat fish – insects – honey – meat broth – etc... ?


25- Says we have the eyes of hunters.

No, we don't. Gorillas are herbivores and their eyes are the same as us. And some hunters, like hawks and eagles, have their eyes on the side of their heads. Sheesh. Get your facts straight.

26- Starts claiming that some non-vegan food, like insects or fish, aren't animals.

Where were YOU in biology class??

27- But the Bible tells us we have to make animals our slaves because we're better than them.

The Bible also says that women must absolutely wear skirts or they'll all go to hell. All those that swear will, too. Seems like we're doomed, anyways.


Your turn! Which crazy arguments have you heard that isn't here?



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  1. Veganara
    Voted. I love this Annie! I have seen this photo a few times on Facebook too. These answers are perfect! I particularly like no 17. So you actually had two workmates who started eating about 3 x as much meat??? God, some people are such complete idiots, they really deserved to get ill!! Btw, have you seen my most recent blogs on Ofhorse and RWL? They are called The Real Horse Whisperers and Reinventing The Wheel(chair). I am trying to get to TPs, so your votes would be appreciated! :-)
    1. kristo
      Agreed! Your point on no. 17 is excellent! voted #5!
      1. SnakeWitch
        Point 17 I read on another vegan page, and I don't remember where, but love it, too! It's so logical, and it stumps them right away every time.
    2. SnakeWitch
      Seriously, they started eating three times the meat and animal by-products! I agree with them being total idiots. One, sadly, was my friend until the second one started bad-mouthing me. It made me glad to see them gain weight so fast.
  2. pftsusan
    #3. Great blog. I call them turn-a-rounds and you put some good ones out there.
    1. SnakeWitch
      turn-a-round - that's a good term for this! Like pointing out to them how their arguments can be just weird sometimes!
  3. Shabs Online
    Shabs Online
    Heyy's one frm me.....that I've faced lot many resembles the 10th one here... They say....We help maintain ecological balance, by eating meat...or else the planet would burst! I say......O yeaaa....great job! definitely you being the one to die early coz of that thereby helping maintain the ecological balance a big deal...Thnz tons! :) Really loved this blog.....enjoyed it thoroughly......wish could vote you again n again for this! hahaha Great argumental swoops Annie....n Ahh....the 9th & 17th ones....infact all were jusss too too am all decked up with them....come onnn all carniiisssss.........!!! ;)
    1. Shabs Online
      Shabs Online
      Am also gonna share this post now...among all ma frenzzzz.... :)
      1. SnakeWitch
        Thanks! Glad this could help you make them understand! And I like how you point out that eating meat makes THEM disappear sooner. The earlier the heart attack, the better! Oh God, this is a bit too mean... !!! Number 17 is my fave, too!
        1. Veganara
          LOL, don't apologise! it's not a nice thing to say, but I often think that with some people the earlier the heart attack the better! (Shame on me!!!)
          1. SnakeWitch
            Ok. Won't apologize, then!
    2. Veganara
      That's a great answer Shabs - saying to someone they will die early from all the meat-eating, thus maintaining the eco-balance! Strangely enough though, I can't imagine the majority of meat-eaters I know being willing to "sacrifice" themselves for the sake of the planet, can you??!
      1. Shabs Online
        Shabs Online
        O never! haha But unfortunately some pplz need to b shaken or given a shock treatment to realize the facts! ;)
        1. SnakeWitch
          Sacrifice is not in a carnovore's dictionary. They probably don't know the meaning of the word. Shock treatment, you say? Sounds like a good idea... !
      2. Shabs Online
        Shabs Online
        I agree with Annie....Carnis can never be sacrificial by nature....they just deserve 'shock treatment'. Hee Haw! ;P
  4. Anita Vegana
    I heard the one about cows' udders going to explode if we don't milk them. They won't, and they need to be impregnated to give milk, just like us. I voted for this post and really liked it.
    1. SnakeWitch
      Right. That's an important and friggin' hilarious one!
  5. Veganara
    Also re point no 15, I saw some anti-vegan diatribe on Facebook again, I think it was, recently, giving a great long list of everything that contained the minutest trace of any animal product, including things like car-tyres, and triumphantly concluding: "There is no such thing as a vegan!" Only there is, because we are making a conscious choice to avoid animal products AS FAR AS WE REASONABLY CAN, but obviously we can't be responsible for how everything is manufactured! So I think a good response to that point is to say that we vegans are NOT the ones who initially got us into this situation, of exploiting other species in every way we can, and WE are the ones who are trying to get us out of it, but obviously it is going to take a while, we can only do it in stages! We do what we can in our own lives, and try to spread the influence to the rest of the world, business, manufacturing, etc.
    1. SnakeWitch
      True. I agree. We are working hard at ensuring it stops!
  6. moregreensplease
    Some people at my work think it is funny to tempt me with food that they are eating.They ask me if I would like any of their food. Jokes on them because I have absolutely no desire what so ever for meat or dairy. Still, I wish they would give it up. On a good note though, there were a couple of gentlemen at work last night who had samples of green juice that they made.There was a super green juice with kale and other green veggies, a sweet green juice with apple and a tangy juice with a touch of ginger.I tried all three and I took a second sample of the super green juice. Needless to say, I felt great after that.
  7. Veganara
    When I saw there was a new comment on this, I thought at first it was going to be from our friendly neighbourhood troll, Educated Not Manipulated (no comment on that name!), who has been making insulting remarks to me on my recent post and on one of SnakeWitch's! I'm assuming he hasn't seen this blog yet - when he does, I imagine he will really let himself go!!! Brace yourselves, everyone!!
  8. jasonsmith
    xacdsvdwerg wrg rwgThanks for sharing.I found a lot of interesting information here. A really good post, very thankful and hopeful that you will write many more posts like this one.


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